Hello there,
I would be interested to find if there is a subgroup for those of us that have awakened into mysticism, notably Christian, Gnostic, Arthurian ... etc ...
It seems many of the kA's I have read have been clothed in an eastern veil. Though symbols are universal and my ascent was eastern it settled into predominately a Christian and kabbalistic experience.
Would love to find a few kindred souls xoxo
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You have very good experience in insulting the intelligent.
Hey there!
I imagine your brilliance in communication is recognized in many academic circles. Unfortunately all of these big, beautiful words are lost on me for I have rewired quite simply.
In my kA, I awoke unto the Path of the Occultist, I have since crossed over to the Path of the Healer.
As an intuitive Kabbalist, I began to realize, in a hermetic fashion, I was mystically traversing the Tree of Life.
Each sephira was experiential for its initiations, mystical experiences, correspondences of consciousness and positive and negative polarity emotional/mental corrections.
I realized I needed to learn Kabbalah in order to understand, validate and confirm my mystical experiences.
Two things happened. I searched out many different authors and systems of learning Kabbalah.
Most all of the authors, teachers and practitioners communicated in a very dry, dense, academic babble.
My mind and eyes glazed over. My receptivity shut down.
All these authors with their ideas, philosophies, and grandiose explanations, well frankly I recognized as an exercise in “INTELLECTUAL and MENTAL MASTURBATION” and… ego.
The second thing I found as an intuitive Kabbalist as I began to frequent some of those forums were folks that rationalistically and intellectually knew Kabbalah, could regurgitate all the gematria, theories, etc … but there was no real understanding from an experiential and intuitive experience. All their correspondence was littered with “I’s” and some gleaming, steaming pile of “more enlightened me”.
Arm-chair magicians and arm-chair Kabbalist’s the lot…
What I do find sparkling is actual gnosis and the validation and confirmation process of the divine alchemical experience. Most everything else is some sort of persona massaged to its finest horsesh*t.
Thank you for your understanding
I have logical-matematical system of truth values, where there are four instead of two. I made it, because I was not able any more to reason logically about my spiritual experience and not able to verify even the basic truth, but with teachings of Buddha, I saw them very trivial, having theorem-like qualities for my mind. With mental exercise one would see something, which resolves as a paradox in binary truth. I invented this, having experiences of infinity and how it infinitely holds - later, confirming them, I found resemblancies to the known systems, such as Taoism and Confucionism, which made me to be further convinced in usability, even fundamentality of those.
My logic of Four, named Logecs or Logec, is represented by the following values:
Posetion - when there is excess of something, for example you spend too much money or look like someone you are not.
Position - when position of truth is favourable.
Negation - when position of false is favourable, such that you would run into unrealistic dreams when you are not leaving some space for inefficiencies.
Negotion - when position of false is being unfavorable.
In classical logic, "yes" or "true" would be a position, or when one overestimates themselves, a posetion; "no" or "false" would be like negotion, or when it actually occurs, a negation.
Additional two values are:
Uneton - an unknown, which can be either Position or Negation, thus being True.
Oneton - an unknown, which can be either Posetion or Negotion, thus being False.
There is a constant growth, where one becomes more capable, posetion thus running into position - you can now do, which was unrealistic before; negotion running into negation - dangers of the past are now easy to handle, either in neglecting them or passing through, such as one would do a mountain climbing in a way, which kills another.
I also have an additional operation, "Neglection", which is defined as logic slowly shifting from it's original axes to new positions, thus truth is not static - to Neglect your logic is to check, how your coordinate systems are moving in logical time as you calculate the variables, and meanings of your solution slightly differ from original solutions; also, some positions turn out to be posetions, whereas some negations turn out to be negotions, so no theorem is static.
Mathematical values are I, O, A, E to state -2, -1, 1, 2. Those variables are ordered, and thus Zero is impossible - I don't like mathematics rotating and reflecting itself when minus numbers represent the smaller value of the whole number and positive numbers represent the bigger value - a number Zero would appear, which distorts the number system by having width zero, so it cannot be a whole number - when this number zero needs a counterpart in infinity, it would never reach there, and so when you state 1, 2, 3 etc., it would not converge to infinity. U and upside-down U represent the zeroes, defined as unknowns - U means either O or A, upside-down U means either I or E. For local values, system of U, O and A exist, where they can mean their infinity-counterparts.
I and E are minus and plus infinity, where upside-down U is infinity with unknown sign.
O and A are minus and plus finity, where U is finity with unknown sign.
Binary system has nice effects when calculating logarithms, which become very simple and ordered, contrary to decimal system. Where the number two is moving towards infinity, the number one is moving towards finity - if number one would move towards infinity by multiplication, you need a power of multiplication of power infinity; whereas for other numbers, you get relations towards infinity, which are smaller than actual infinity.
Now, when O and A are the local, simplistic, perhaps materialistic representations of truth, in the process of reaching infinity of I and E, you get the true meaning of being accelerated or deccelerated variable.
In one representation, I = Negotion, O = Negation, A = Position and E = Posetion, whereas U and upside-down U mean transistions to another reality (ethernal shift, such as recreating the whole time based on experience you gathered from old reality); in case of U, the shift is positive, but in case of upside-down U, the shift leads to paradox and cancels out itself; for example a karmic paradox of not recreating it's original positive motivation in potential field, repeating the experiences from old realities. Here, the number system is positive inside and negative outside. IO and AE - left, there is positive or negative value on it's own axe, so that I will be bad and A will be good; right, there is positive or negative value outside of it's own value, so that O will be good and E will be bad.
In another representation, I = Negotion, O = Posetion, A = Negation and E = Position. Mathematically, one projects to different space, which also exists in reality - translation between those two axes is critical to simplify.
On axe T, I is opposed to O and A is opposed to E. On axe R, I is opposed to E and O is opposed to A. Then, you can see - you can not directly convert this into binary system.
You will find many weird coincidences, where some higher truth directly maps to logecal system; there would be a high level of mathematical synchronicity, such as God existing in mathematics and changing your variables.
My mathematics is big and it's hard to go into details, but the basics would give you inspiration. Symmetries of four let you project the infinities, so that the local numbers are aligned with directions of infinity, and both have nice proportions. Mathematics and geometry to understand those values is complex, and I still work on simplifications to be able to formulate them on finite number of pages - in 10 years, I have solved all kinds of conflicts with theorems, reaching new theorems every day; now it's more stable and I usually simplify something. Maybe in 5 years I can create an axiomatic system, where you can find more of my math - but knowing that there are 4 values instead of two, and that the paradox is ultimate, the two are not topolocially identical, is enough to do your own mathematical work, which can easily grow into fulfilling your practical needs.
Infinity is meaning, locality is more like a local optimum - for example, eating, locally, is giving you energy, but in infinity, you need to fast and you need to avoid excesses, so the logic becomes more complex.
I found, analyzing my system, that Taoism and I Ching can be seen as representations of the same basic laws, also creating fours.
In relation to Taoism
Posetion: This is when you have a solution, where good needs to contain "bad", such as avoid of overeating. When you are realistic and avoid idealism, there is bad in good - you don't go into extreme of it.
Position: This is good in good, where trivial solution is also meaningful.
Negation: This is good in bad, where you would trivially say it's wrong, but you don't care. For example, as you don't eat all the time, you get negations - as eating is good, all the time you don't eat, there is a negation.
Negotion: This is bad in bad, where it's trivially bad, but also meaningless, for example when you don't eat, you would lose energy without gaining anything from this.
Taoist system solves the logical paradoxes of reality, where one cannot understand it in black and white.
In relation to I Ching
Yin becoming Yang - when Yin line is changing, the bad is becoming good in future, and as future is more meaningful, it is the Negation.
Yin staying Yin - when Yin line is not in change, it is negotion, bad actually being bad also in future perspective.
Yang becoming Yin - when Yang would become Yin in the future, you will be betrayed; what seemed correct, would fail you, like your dreams vanishing. Then, posetion is used to state that your truth is originally meaningless.
Yang staying Yang - when Yang would remain Yang, the Good is actually good.
I Ching is creating an oracle - when you know the future, it would change your directions and become false. When it has the change lines, it can neglect this - it will somehow understand, when it's changing, and it will do it on right coordinates.
I was a committed Christian prior to my awakening. I had to distance myself entirely from my previous beliefs and only recently feel drawn again to explore the Christian mystics and ask myself what makes someone a mystic? And are there mystics amongst us today?
I'd be interested in discussing although I will say it's a relatively new thread of interest for me. Maybe we could plan this as a topic in the Thursday discussion group.
Hi there xoxo
Over time my mind has rewired into the intuitive xoxo
please forgive my simplistic dialogue xoxo
In my experience mysticism is a first person revelation, like being on a holographic deck. My kA emerged into the expanse of mysticism. I created a process to confirm if the revelation was a "valid" mystical transmission
I would "experience" an event or a series of experiences that would go on for many years that was not in my conscious awareness. I would verify the transmission through the holy books, an enlightened master, teacher, practitioner, etc. To validate is a way of ascertaining if the experience is a "true" revelation, not some lower astral garbage, and the reason the apostles were able to corroborate over hundred of years their accounts of their personal alchemy
In my kA, I emerged onto the Tree of Life, taking the Path of the Lightning Bolt. I was blessed to receive the transmission of many of the great mysteries. As an intuitive kabbalist, the foundation of my experience was/is christian though I have received the Arthurian, Gnostic, Buddhist, Alchemical, Egyptian, Tantric stream, etc ,,,
I have been evolving through my experiences and one day wish to fully emerge from my "spiritual closet". To write/reveal this much about the nature of my experiences feels so sublime and after 35 years I still filter myself
I work as an energy healer and a spiritual guide outside of Nashville, Tennessee supporting folks to liberate themselves from the dark things xoxo
I would love to meet and converse with those that have experienced mysticism and an aspect of the Western Traditions in their awakening
Kind regards xoxo
We can see that in West, we have long journey to find objective external reality, so that Christianity is like Confucianism - a hierarchical, big system, where one helps another to achieve better karma, and the basis is the world as it's commonly seen for us. From Vikings and Celts to Christians to Atheists of the West, we discuss this problem. In Kabbalah, it's termed very similarly, but we also express the "screen of mind" as we are more acquainted with Hinduist and Buddhist philosophy or more fit to the metaphysical truth they found.
Christian energy, as well as Western pre-Christian or post-Christian thought, is concentrated on something we can call "metaphysical", so when we look their minds, it has some "fundamental", or "absolute" structure inspired by squares, we can see the aspect of reality, which eternally holds and which we can measure being outside of us. We have mental rules for handling this reality. Colors like black, or a black, which has very little degree of something blueish, are associated with this mental structure. We can be sure in something external and we meet collectively to build this.
In this, Christians and their historic lineage are building a system, which contains all the beings, especially who believe, into a self-organizing structure, which controls people in a way that they will have better karmic consequence. In external reality, the miracles will appear, including miracles of business and technology, but concentrating on the "secret governments", which are often expressions of those miracles, so that we will see aliens, government secrets and mysteries in the movies. This is a vision of our collective karma.
I like philosophies of Vikings and Celts as well, and those relate to this. We are all West.
In East, we concentrate on the laws, which govern the mind in it's interactions with reality, so we have rather a subject than an object. Buddhism, Hinduism, and others like Taoism, can very well relate with this.
Buddhist or Hindu energy, thus, when looking into their minds, looks dynamic and it raises a personal karmic power - when karma itself is to serve an outside world, the power is not directly raised in outside world, but in oneself. We see, often, how these energies, colorful ones, transform the external world. But, here, the work with others is also personal, so the collective help is still built on person-by-person basis. The form of this energy is circle rather than square, as it can proceed in any direction, in response to any event, instead of building an ideal environment (a square).
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When I was a Child I was like you - I studied Christianity, Paganism and Science and I had this feeling of "absolute" very visible. I think it ended with Nietzsche's "beyond Good and Bad", where I absolutely lost my hope that I am going to build an ideal world together with others, to follow all those constraints of "Goodness". Square is the shape you can compose repeating patterns from - for a materialist, those are simply cubicles, little boxes of life; for a deeper visionary thinking, those are the fundamentals of nature, which are always there. Namely, ideals.
With Nietzsche's "beyond Good and Bad", I started to guess my social habits simply too much. I had the western habits, which basically keep you the friends and food and home, and keep you being a little bit in control of your friends, as you play the little games (such as "you want me more than I want you", the simplest one). When the games went into paradoxes, I also wanted a free-flowing direction. This is where I have later chosen lack of many material qualities - not because of Buddhism, but because of myself; Buddhism reality has a good set of attributes to handle the material reality and I am learning this now. But there is no absolute, strict reality - or, it's not important. There are laws of Mind, which quite definitely hold, but even with them you cannot become completely rigid.
Now, after all this life experience, I am rebuilding the ego - I destroyed this at the end of Christianity and Science, creating doubt about any experience of solid structures. I became to grow, but I also lost stability. I had a dream that I rebuild my ego once I find myself in the big, big world - how, from working for everything, to find this motive of working for myself? When we have the whole, the parts are critical, and as I'm a part - I need some ego. Still, this is absolutely complex integration to see myself in such a big field, to serve myself as well. In Buddhism, you have to "love yourself", but I'm an adventurer :)
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So even later, I spend some time for Christianity, Gnosticism etc., and I definitely have not left the Christian war of Good and Bad - in Buddhism, as "Bad" does not exist, you cannot say that "Good and Bad" is wrong; as well as much as "True and False" do not exist in a sense, you cannot then say that their existence is false - there is still "True and False", but as a little article of your dictionary, not as the whole dictionary. Otherwise we reach so far that Cat and Dog also do not exist; it's only wrong to build your whole philosophy on Cat and Dog, or Black and White, where colors exist as well; and it's wrong to say that Black definitely points to North, where White points to South - as well they could point in random directions, not even opposites.
So when I am very free about my being West or East, as they are not Black and White as well, neither for me - I can see the difference in vibration, with Eastern energy flowing inside-out, and Western energy flowing outside-in. In balanced world in both systems, it should work in both ways - but then, for them, it's like a little circle inside that raindrop, so that the opposite direction in yin and yang system is being "contained" as the opposite-colored circle. "Collective karma" in Buddhism is all it has from Christianity, and some notion of inner sincerity in Christianity reminds of Buddhism, where the police is not stopping you from doing the murder, but you do it yourself. But if police would manage to prevent your crime, your karmic consequence would be better - this is the basic point in Christianity. If your mother makes you to study well, finally you finish the University - you have not done much in terms of Buddhism, but you can use this karma to produce more. Buddhist is really dead without noticing this; such as I have seen some fake interpretations of Buddhism, that your karma is really "up to you". You can see Teal Swan or Gabi Govalenko angrily discussing this in YouTube, in their understanding so much that they dismiss the conception of karma completely. Me, too, I don't like gray masses of monotone thinking, but I like unity and help.
I am now a part of enlightened collective I can see, and I can see that what it represents to me is rather mental, personal thing, which does not materialize very much into what I wanted - here, being Buddhist, I seek something I call "Buddhist Christianity", which would use all the power from Buddhist enlightenment, but still unite this into Christianic structure of intellectualism, dividing the even bigger concept into little pieces and following it like Christians of Scientists - as each have only a piece, they need to have trust, even some authority. Well what I'm part of looks really like this, but with my personal karmic consequence if I want to bring materialistic sense into my world, I have to create Christian karma into my part of this.
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So I agree with you it's a different experience, enlightening and going to Christian or Buddhist way, or Science. Our karma also depends on scientific achievements, where we have material empowerment in helping each others, and also Buddhism and Christianity contain scientific basis for those, who need it.
Kabbalah, it has Western language, but I think it is very well acquainted with Eastern thought. This Kabbalistic soul revealed some, when I became enlightened - I especially like how they connect black and white into united nature, even if it's third things after Nietzsche's "beyond Good and Bad", and Buddhist absence of Good and Bad.
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So now I have very well decided that Buddhist or Christian view alone is weak, and then, indeed we need some space to discuss both experiences - collective and personal. "Top-down" and "Bottom-up" views of systems, this is really what it is about in mathematics - it's somewhat useless to use two at the same time, but if you are very good in one, you might consider this; in middle of life you might want to see another, for example.
When I was a Child, I was heavily against "gray masses", not forming creative personalities, also as a part of coming out from Soviet Union in Estonia - but now, when this is a collective tendency, I can see people really often do not form the whole, which is more than sum of the parts; sure, our collective as well needs to have a personality.